Reflections on my first podcast, a "great man theory" for why Scott Aaronson was mobbed while Bryan was not, and mental ordering as an explanation for the unobservable value of education
Re your point at the end about mental ordering being important for gaining knowledge and intelligence, if we have lots of evidence for very little knowledge gain, why assume we have any mental ordering going on? If there are intangible things happening that lead to tangible benefits downstream we put to be able to see those benefits downstream at some point, even if in an attenuated way.
I see the argument that schools teach kids to love learning, or teach them to learn to learn. Yet if the kids don’t love learning enough to read, or learn details and subjects, what evidence do we have that they are getting any benefit to their ability to learn?
Looks like it was very interesting. Thanks for small link to the transcript?
I think you're right about Jordan Peterson opening the "Overton Window" to help Bryan after Scott A was mobbed -- but also the earlier mobbing of Larry Summers. Yet with each year there are more and better studies showing real differences between men & women. The Bryan as enemy compared to Scott as traitor is also significant. No feminists will feel betrayed by Bryan; some did or thought some would, by Scott.
Mass-ed schooling helps condition workers into being mass-production producers, as well as mass-consumer consumers. Rich business decision makers are looking for bright, boot-licking, mostly-obedient good servants, er, employees. College assignments help weed out those who do less of these.
Mini-rant on education by IQ:
We need to separate education benefits much more by IQ: High IQ (>110), Low (<90) & avg (90-110).
Low IQ folk need to be taught how to read, write, and do basic arithmetic - to handle money. Education expecting little need for abstract thought, and far more direction of "do this; now this; now this". Humans are capable of DOING huge numbers of cool things. Pushing low IQ kids towards abstract thinking & homework rather than making stuff that can be made is socially negative.
There is, finally, a pushback against whole-word learning to read, back to phonics. I think there are better basic ways to teach simple math to simple folks.
The biggest current AND future challenge in OECD civilization is how to get more low IQ workers to get jobs and make the lifestyle choices that allow them to keep the jobs and be productive.
High IQ folk do better with college signaling - but don't need it otherwise. After getting a "good job", the college grad will learn what is needed to do that job and usually nothing from most college courses are a genuine pre-requisite (not true for research).
Avg IQ folk, with avg other talents, mostly shouldn't go to college, and putting them in college prep High School courses is usually sub-optimal. They'd be better off in an apprentice program.
The apostate is sanctioned much more severely than a heretic
Re your point at the end about mental ordering being important for gaining knowledge and intelligence, if we have lots of evidence for very little knowledge gain, why assume we have any mental ordering going on? If there are intangible things happening that lead to tangible benefits downstream we put to be able to see those benefits downstream at some point, even if in an attenuated way.
I see the argument that schools teach kids to love learning, or teach them to learn to learn. Yet if the kids don’t love learning enough to read, or learn details and subjects, what evidence do we have that they are getting any benefit to their ability to learn?
Bryan was endorsing "men's rights" long before Peterson came on the scene.
Looks like it was very interesting. Thanks for small link to the transcript?
I think you're right about Jordan Peterson opening the "Overton Window" to help Bryan after Scott A was mobbed -- but also the earlier mobbing of Larry Summers. Yet with each year there are more and better studies showing real differences between men & women. The Bryan as enemy compared to Scott as traitor is also significant. No feminists will feel betrayed by Bryan; some did or thought some would, by Scott.
Mass-ed schooling helps condition workers into being mass-production producers, as well as mass-consumer consumers. Rich business decision makers are looking for bright, boot-licking, mostly-obedient good servants, er, employees. College assignments help weed out those who do less of these.
Mini-rant on education by IQ:
We need to separate education benefits much more by IQ: High IQ (>110), Low (<90) & avg (90-110).
Low IQ folk need to be taught how to read, write, and do basic arithmetic - to handle money. Education expecting little need for abstract thought, and far more direction of "do this; now this; now this". Humans are capable of DOING huge numbers of cool things. Pushing low IQ kids towards abstract thinking & homework rather than making stuff that can be made is socially negative.
There is, finally, a pushback against whole-word learning to read, back to phonics. I think there are better basic ways to teach simple math to simple folks.
The biggest current AND future challenge in OECD civilization is how to get more low IQ workers to get jobs and make the lifestyle choices that allow them to keep the jobs and be productive.
High IQ folk do better with college signaling - but don't need it otherwise. After getting a "good job", the college grad will learn what is needed to do that job and usually nothing from most college courses are a genuine pre-requisite (not true for research).
Avg IQ folk, with avg other talents, mostly shouldn't go to college, and putting them in college prep High School courses is usually sub-optimal. They'd be better off in an apprentice program.